Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Welcome back to the Philosophy of Life podcast. My name is Reza Sanjide and I am here with my co-host Yalda Nazaryan. At Philosophy of Life we believe that wisdom comes from many places. Sometimes it came from philosophy, and sometimes from books, and sometimes from ordinary people whose life experience offer us a different way of seeing the world. Life has an interesting habit of placing people in our path, sometimes only briefly. Yet they leave us with the idea that they stay with us of for years, a conversation or a story, in a perspective. And suddenly the way we think about ourselves, meaning, struggle, happiness or awareness being to shift for good. And this is really the purpose of this podcast. We speak with the people from all walking of life writers, thinkers, coach, educator, an individual whose experience may help us to better understand our own life. Not because anyone has all the answers, but because every person carries a piece of insight that's shaped by their journey. Today we are joining by Colin Chennery, joining us from Australia. Colin is an awareness trainer, author, and a speaker whose work focuses on mindfulness, awareness, and understanding ourselves in a world that often feel rushed, distracted, and overwhelming. He recently released a new book exploring these ideas and practical way that we can become more present and intentional in our daily lives. Now, whether mindfulness is something you deeply practice or simply sometimes you are curious about. Today's conversation offered an opportunity to reflect on awareness, personal growth, and the way we understand ourselves. So thank you for joining us today. Let's begin.

Colin’s Path Into Mindfulness

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Colin, thank you for being here today. It is truly a pleasure to have you with us, and we are excited for today's conversation. Before we jump into today's topic, I would love for our audience to get to know you a little bit better. Can you tell us about yourself, where you come from, and what led you to the work you are doing today?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Sure. My background is in psychology and counseling, but very much in the health and wellness area generally. I've did years of body work. I was one of the first generation personal fitness trainers in the 80s when everyone was discussing whether you know you would pay $80 or $60 to have someone run you around the park like a dog. And so I was running a practice in fitness with bodywork. I was doing breath therapy and counselling. And that took me through most of the 80s and 90s. Early 2000s, I was running an organic, certified organic skincare company. In fact, we had the world's first certified organic non-food products, which were which was skincare, personal care, and health supplements. So I've always been in that wellness space, and then I stepped back from that company, got it back into the therapeutic space, and uh and more recently uh wrote a couple of books, of which one has just been published. So I guess my main kind of base or influence is mindfulness. Uh I've got certifications in mindfulness-based therapies, but most importantly, over 45 years of actually nearly 50 years of meditation, martial arts, um, sort of 15 years of of uh formal yoga training and uh practice, um and so having that uh spiritual interest as well, um, and quite not not uh I wouldn't say the majority of it, but a significant part of my counseling is has been kind of spiritual counselling. But I would say that where I'm coming from in my counselling and with people is a hundred percent of the time is is um quite influenced by my own inner practice and and spirituality. So um so that kind of infuses and integrates everything, but this is the first time uh kind of the first time in my life I'm letting that aspect of where I'm coming from take center stage and you know be a big part of the book and um and what I'm gonna be doing moving forwards.

What Mindful Living Really Means

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Yeah, that's great. Um I I know that your work um centers heavily on the idea of consciousness uh and not only consciousness but conscious presence. Um and I think uh and I just want to clarify, it's not in the sense of like it's an escape from the world, but um as a as a way to like really deeply engage with it, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

So for a lot of people, the especially like in the modern world, I think we live in what feels like a incredibly fragmented world. It's so you know noisy and fast-paced. And in your view right now, what is the single biggest um misconception people have about what is what it actually means to uh quote unquote live mindfully in especially in this environment?

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Yeah, that's an interesting one. Um misperceptions. So I think I I I think that uh I don't know that there's a lot of misperceptions out there. Maybe there's preconceived ideas about it. Um and it can be taken in a number of ways. It can be especially like with my training in mindfulness-based therapies, it's very psychologically based. And it is a process in which you're not you're you're assisting people to deal with a crisis with trauma, or or it may not be either of those, it might be just anything they're wanting to change or improve in their life. And from a mindfulness-based perspective, it's less about trying to change something and it's more about uh adjusting your relationship to it. So if there is, for example, an emotion coming up or um some aspect of relationships that they that someone's working on, there may be some professional things. From a mindfulness-based perspective, you start to look at the strengths and weaknesses, you start to look at um the aspects that will help a person in the process, and then you look at the obstacles and any any kind of um dissonance, which is you know conflict with with where they're wanting, where they want to come from and what they want to achieve. And in mindfulness, you kind of identify it all, and then get into a relationship where you go, well, this is this is the landscape, this is how it all is, this is part of me psychologically and emotionally, and then you start to work with it, you come from acceptance, and um, rather than looking at some things as good or bad or desirable or undesirable, it's utilizing what's there, and from a more spiritual perspective, what starts to happen is that um you begin to differentiate yourself from your thoughts, from your conditioning. You begin to differentiate yourself from your emotions, and as you just said before, it's not about avoiding those things or disassociating from those things, it's about bringing aware presence into them so that as thoughts rise, there's a little gap between your thought, the thoughts, and the thinker, or the feelings and the consciousness experiencing the feeling. And so with that differentiation comes not only a better way to manage those things and have a lot more choices about how you want to respond to something rather than react to something. Um, or it could be on a more creative level when you're trying to create something that you're working on in the in the present moment, or you know, even even a longer-term future-based goal. Uh because you're more and more beginning to differentiate yourself from the contents of your experience, with that gap comes a greater awareness of just the conscious presence, the space in which it's happening, which brings you to the true self, which is the self that you know, some days we'll deal with something really well, other days we might deal with exactly the same thing in not such a good way, even be reactive. Uh, same person, same situation, you know, um, but coming from a different place or coming coming from a different level of awareness.

The Myth Of Stopping Thoughts

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So perhaps the greatest misconception is that it's connected with meditation and you have to stop your thinking.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Ah, okay. I was gonna ask, what about overthinkers? You know, because there are people who are just overthinkers. They do the you know, you have got the ones that are overthinking, and then you've got the ones that are not thinking at all.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Yeah, yeah. I I tended to be an overthinker. Um so very much so. That's yeah, you get you get both of those. And for the people that really have highly active minds and have trouble achieving that inner relaxation, a relaxed mind, body, all that sort of thing. Um, the tools and resources I I have with the book, but also that I use in my practice and with working with people individually generally, is you kind of use what's there as the object of meditation. So you begin to have a narrative going on in your head, and then people start to fight it and go, just shut up. I'm trying to meditate here. Um, and that's not what meditation is. As you said before, it's not about trying to get away from your thinking and your feelings, it's actually about observing them, it's about feeling the feelings with awareness, it's about observing the thoughts and embracing them uh with your full attention. And the only difference is that you in meditation is you come back to the breath, you come back to where you are here and now. I I like to use the analogy I once heard from uh Sogar Rimpashe, a Buddhist monk that I had a bit of time with many years ago, and he said he used to use the analogy as being like a mountain, and you sit quite grounded, still, and uh you watch the clouds go by, and you don't judge clouds as good or bad, they're just clouds, and there's the blue sky behind them, and when you're the mountain and uh observing the clouds going by gradually, there's more and more blue sky. You begin to notice the gaps between the thoughts, you begin to notice, I'm not my feelings, I'm not my thoughts, I'm I'm the one having this experience. So you just get you train the mind to just observe and feel, and gradually that quietness begins to happen, but you're not trying to fight the fight it, you're not trying to stop it or even slow it down, it's coming from surrender and acceptance and uh embracing fully your full experience, and that's really important because then as you get further down the track and you're beginning to practice mindfulness while you live your life and have a daily life, you can be driving a car, it could be your partner, it could be there's so many little things, including our own little negative thoughts and loops and uh insecurities or doubts, and so having practiced not judging anything and just being with your full experience, then when those emotions and thoughts come up that are uncomfortable, it's training yourself to then just embrace those as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

How

Watch The Inner Tug Of War

SPEAKER_02 15:28

would you how would you um how would you tell someone to to practice that? I guess practice the um shifting the gear from thinking to just observing without causing like an internal tug of war.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Um so there will be a tug of war. That's normal. The the the coaching I do and I encourage them to gradually coach themselves is make the tug of war the object of your meditation. If the tug of war is happening, well, observe that.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

No.

Mindfulness As Self Love

SPEAKER_02 16:18

How about how about self-love? How does that come into play? Because a lot of it, I think, you know, it it's something, you know, does you have to be open-hearted, you have to be able to accept. Uh a lot of that I feel like comes back to self-love and self-care, that type of thing. How would you say, um, what does that kind of like self-acceptance or self-love look like?

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Mind mindfulness from uh an authentic place is an act of self-love. And what it opens you up to is the nature of life and consciousness that we are, and in the absence of conditioned thinking or triggered emotions, the experience is that you are love. And that's the bliss and compassion that a lot of uh a lot of well teachers of spiritual paths or uh well-being talk about is the I guess the opening of the heart that happens when you're relaxed inside, when you're in that moment that we've all experienced, when you just feel great, you're just being yourself and you you don't feel inhibited, you're just in a place where you feel connected with yourself, with life, with everything around you, and in that space is that sense of connection or unity, which is love. Love is love is oneness, one is you know, hopefully unconditional connection. Um, sometimes there's a bit of condition there, and that's part of the path is getting to that point where we can be grounded. Um being in that space doesn't mean you become a doormat for others, it doesn't mean that you know you don't have your boundaries and lines and make a stand about values and and integrity and those all those things, but it's in any given moment it's coming from choice, it's not coming from reactivity, and you don't forget who you are, and you don't forget who the people are around you. I guess it's like imagining being having some anger or having some grief but feeling love at the same time because it's all part of the human experience. So it you you begin to get more comfortable just opening up to the full spectrum of your experience rather than just shifting from being happy to being, you know, really grumpy and angry to something else, you know, there can be a as we all know, there can be a little bit of all of it all at once.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Yeah, that's right. I I really like that concept actually.

Practicing Peace On Bad Days

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Um talking about like being grumpy, what about, you know, life is not perfect, right? And I think what about finding peace and um navigating life's like disruptions? Um I it's it's easy, I think, to to talk about these things when it comes to like a good day. Um but what about like the bad days?

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Well, that's that's where the training comes in. I like in meditation and mindfulness practice as training. So you're when you're sitting down or when you're reflecting, um doing little practices while you're going about your daily routines, in a way that's it's all practice, formal or informal practice. The real application comes in those moments when you usually lose it, when you usually throw all that out the window and do what you've always done. Um you know, so it and that's where the real transformation happens too. Um you know, if if if I use a more kind of profound life-changing example, um, you know, I I've been involved in this space for a long time, and when I went through uh a financial crisis, I had business and financial crisis going on, um, I had a marriage breakdown, and uh for a little while my life was like a country music song. I was I had to leave town, I lost my house, I lost the wife, I lost everything. And uh, you know, because in some of the deepest, darkest moments I drew on uh mindfulness practice to get me through, it enabled me to integrate that at a really deep level. So where I'm where I was where I had a lot at stake and a lot of raw emotion, I was able to embrace that. I'm not saying I had it all together all the time, I definitely did not. At times I felt special. Split in two, I could feel that whole aspect, that sense of presence, but uh there were there are times when I just felt the um the struggling man who was dealing with life and overwhelmed, shattered, not quite sure uh knowing things would pass, but having to deal with everything before that could happen. Um that was all there. So it wasn't that I was serenely peaceful dealing with it all. I went through a lot, but I went through it with awareness. I went through it nurturing myself through it. You talked about self-love, and it was like an act of nurturing to just allow myself at times to get it going to fetal position and just feel everything that what let it all wash over me and and go face it, go deeply into those feelings and allow myself to feel them fully with love, with opening up at the same time to pure consciousness, knowing this this is all my my you know worldly experience. This is this is the stuff I've got to deal with and work through. And so it was about accepting that and and loving myself through that process. So it it really helps with all of that.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Yeah, the the that sort of that sort of grief also helps letting go. You know, it's it's I I feel like it's um it's really interesting that uh you know there are people who like avoid that that type of feeling or they don't want to, it's uncomfortable, it's you know, it it isn't easy, but I think it does help. And um I think unfortunately, a lot of times we we treat often treat the mind um separate from I guess um from the body. And and I think you talk about that too, where um they're not two separate entities, right? And so if you if you go through that type of grief, if you go through hardships and difficulties and so on and so forth, you get to practice this thing that helps you with the body and mind.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

The Six Circles Framework

SPEAKER_00 24:31

I mean, I kind of separate it all out as six circles. You've got your sensory experience, the intellect, the emotions, the inner body experience, personal presence and universal presence. Um, but they're not separate, you know. Um but at the same time, by by bringing a structure to it, um it takes, it gives a framework for people to work through consciously. And the order I put them in was in a way to help people come from safe and tangible to personal presence and universal presence, which is not so tangible. It's a bit hard to start there if people have not, especially for people who are beginners or intermediate in meditation or even in a conscious spiritual path. So it kind of leads people into that space, and then of course, it's about bringing it all back when we feel our own unique way of connecting to universal presence or whatever we want to call it, and personal presence, and then bringing that into the body, into your thinking, into the emotional self, out into the sensory world and and uh your relationships with others, and recognizing all those aspects in other people, which starts to cut through because you're not identifying with those things anymore. There's really no reason why you know we as aware beings we can't just appreciate the differences, whether it be cultural, gender, beliefs, you know, religious, political, ideological. It's all contents of our experience. And what unites us is the fact that we're all uh this consciousness experiencing life, and um sounds very idealistic and utopian, but when you begin to practice this within yourself, you actually start to experience it, and when you connect up with other people that are in that same space, then it's like uh it's all happening, it's here and now. Yeah.

Core Identity And The I Am

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Um, you also talk about um uh core identity and how um uh it kind of remains the same throughout life. Do you do you mean that we have this identity um um from like when we're little and it just kind of stays the same? Is that what you mean when you say that? So it's completely unaffected by what's going on around us, that core identity, but then we um, you know, obviously we grow up, we mature, you know, those things are part of life, but there's a core that I think you mentioned that doesn't change.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Yes. Um yeah, I mean it's not always like that for people. Some people can't connect with that childhood experience. Uh I remember it quite w quite vividly. Uh and as a child, you know, looking at the luminosity and texture in the air and and everything around me and just just especially around Christmas time. Um and and often wondering, well why aren't people amazed that we exist? Like why aren't why don't people talk about that?

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Um I I'm I'm the same. Yeah, sometimes I'm even like even with like the dog being around, I'm like, you know, it's so weird. Like he's just hanging out with a bunch of humans. It's like you know, one human hanging up. But yeah, it's it's interesting. Some people pick things up like or they view things um in a lot more detail.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

But the way I see it is that um the core that you're talking about, it's a little bit like the I am, it's that primordial uh, you know, I in the book I just I I kind of refer a little bit from a religious point of view to Brahman in the Hindu and Vedic philosophy, they have Atman, which is the like a shard of Brahman that is in us, the the I am presence within us, uh, and the formless universal presence is Brahman. So from a Christian point of view, we talk about universal spirit. Um so whether it's mother or father, there's the there is the Godhead, and from a formless point of view, that's that's presence, but it's conscious presence, and then there's the individual spirit in us. So for me, there is this base to come back to, which is consciousness and life energy itself. And the other thing that doesn't seem to change, at least from the way I view it, is personality. That there's recognition in us of another person, whether we haven't seen them for 30 years and they look very different. Um for me, the I am presence is kind of like the absolute, the universal presence, and the and the part of that that is us that is absolute. It's not evolving, it's complete, it's completely intact. And when we go, this is where this sort of thing really helps resilience and dealing with challenges in life, is that it's untouched by it, it's complete all the time. Every time you successfully relax and get yourself out of the way and just be, there is this completeness that is that is there, that uh is accessible to everyone. And then there's the evolving self, which I call the soul. And uh and so as we evolve um we gain maturity, we we gain an ability to think more objectively, to deal with life. Uh, but the the spiritual kind of jump happens when you begin to consciously look beyond your thoughts and feelings to who is having those thoughts, who is having those feelings, who is actually living this life. It's not my manufactured self because that that changes and it will pass. So who is here without me, without my effort, without anything? And as you tap into that and it begins to infuse your thinking, it begins to infuse what you're doing. Uh one way to describe that is it's it's like being spiritized, it's like being um becoming more shaped and styled as a being by presence itself. And for me, there's a beautiful idea that there's actually a two-way relationship going on between us and God or universal presence or however we want to describe it. And that is that we are free will beings, we're sentient beings, we're aware that we're aware. And when with free will we begin to look beyond ourselves and we begin to look more at our values and then at the source of where we're coming from, we start to discover that the source of where we're coming from is also our destiny, and that it's all all here and now. There's this power, and as we live our lives that way and become more infused with presence and or more spiritized, that universal presence itself starts able to be expressed through us as free will beings more fully. So while it is absolute and complete, in the evolving material universe, it gets to have more expression, it gets to uh have its own creation collaborating and aligned and working with it on a conscious self-will choice level.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Well, um it's nice. I mean what you say is beautiful and I wish as you said it looked like utopia or uh perfect situation, but as you know, as you experience yourself, we are not in that world.

What To Do With God Is Dead

SPEAKER_01 34:05

As Nietzsche said, God is dead. So what would you say to those people who saying God is dead?

SPEAKER_00 34:22

I'd I I would point people towards who is saying that and say, Well, I'm saying that. Ah, but who are you? How are you able to stand here and say that? Because the the life and consciousness that is experiencing being you and experiencing you saying that is not altered by you saying that. Whether you acknowledge it or not, it's there. It's you're alive, you're conscious. So therefore, the very nature of your consciousness is not altered by the content of your consciousness or your opinion. So you may not see it the way I see it, you may not describe it the way I do. But it's there. And maybe it would be very interesting if you reflect on that, to hear how you do experience it, how you do what happens when you uh do begin to get beyond the beliefs and thoughts about it and just be in it fully. See, I think I don't think we're living in a world that is not utopia. I think we create a world that is not utopia, but as one uh very highly recognized spiritual teacher said uh in the Gospels, the kingdom of heaven is among you or the kingdom of heaven is in you. The Greek word, the ancient Greek word can mean among or in. So it's spoken of, it was being spoken of as an experience, not just some place you go, you know, that you have to believe in that you go to somewhere when we die. It's really about uh, you know, I talk in the book a little bit about the spiritual warrior in the world that we're in today, for people who are awakened to what we're what we're talking about. Um, yeah, you come across a lot of people that would just um sneer at what we're talking about, this whole conversation we're having right now. Um, not interested, and um load, it's not relevant and a load of rubbish. And um so when I'm with people like that, I see universal presence and pure consciousness doing that. I don't there's no for me, there's no exclusion, it's totally inclusive. Now I may with certain people be a little more guarded about what personal information I give, uh how much of my life I I I I allow them to impact or influence, um, but I don't, but I still can love the essence of what they are who they are. I can still get the essence of their personality, the life and consciousness that is coming through them. And with compassion, uh just realize we're all learning, we're all on the path, and we all have our our conflict and attitudes. Um but I personally resonate a lot more with people who are a little bit more awakened and aren't judging me too quickly by how I present myself or what they see and hear, but rather they're you know, we we recognize when we're with people and we're connecting on a on a level that that you can't see or touch. You you can't see or touch love. You know, someone can say to you, convince me that love is real. Convince me that love is is is a thing. It's like, well, the proof is in love itself.

Turning Crisis Into A Gift

SPEAKER_01 38:41

So all the situation happened to you actually actually cause you all the experience you had, you have to go through. And some of them are not really obvious, but it's not great. Your life your wife left you, you have to leave the country, you lost your house and everything. Would you say it was good things happened to me?

SPEAKER_00 39:07

That those things were good. Um those things were those things, they were the result of my choices as much as other people's choices. So they are they are what they are. On a good day, wow, they're teaching me a lot. On a bad day, oh my god, I don't know myself. I feel shattered, I feel like a ghost. I don't even feel like I'm solid and walking on the planet. I just feel completely empty and hollow and nothing. But uh but I'm not a ghost, I'm still there. That's just how I felt. And more and more as I dealt with it, got through it, um, managed it, you know, especially getting through it and not succumbing to bitterness or all the reactivity that I could have justified, instead dealt with it from as high a quality consciousness as I could, but also honored my pain, honored uh the the uncomfortable and painful stuff that was feeling pretty real and uncomfortable and painful. I it was acknowledging that stuff and loving myself through the process of of um of experiencing it that gradually enabled it to transform in a way that I still don't say great, I'm so glad that all that happened, but I am so glad of what I got from it, of the gift it gave me in every crisis and tragedy is a gift, and the fact that I can now feel like um I I didn't lose anything of enormous value because I still have a I still have a a relationship with my ex-wife that is loving from being to being. I don't don't I can be with her and not be angry, not grieve that we're not together anymore. I can be with her in the present moment and embrace our present moment friendship. She's the mother of my children. And my children don't feel like their family has broken up. We all felt that at the time. But now we just feel like an extended family, which includes my ex-wife's new partner and uh and grandkids that exist that didn't exist back then, and uh, you know, there's a there's still a very intact sense of family amongst us all, and uh and so you know we we start to get bigger than the conditions and expectations we put on things.

Advice To An 18 Year Old Self

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Colin, what would you recommend Colin in this age to the colon when he was eighteen years old?

SPEAKER_00 42:40

Oh dear. That was all we just say. Yeah, yeah. Just look at him and shake my head and go, mate. Um gee. Uh at at eighteen at eighteen I was still pretty um very much full of frustration, tension, inner conflict, trying to resolve lots of different uh urges and ideals and um you know all the things I wanted to experience in life. So I I whatever I would say to him would be to try and infuse a sense of just uh everything's okay. Just uh look after yourself, look after the people around you, and um and uh believe love and believe in yourself. Don't keep doubting yourself, you know. Keep trusting in life, trusting in yourself. And um, you know, that's that's my mother passed away 20 years ago, um and it's always something I appreciated that she gave me when I was growing up was that sense even as a teenager when I was taking off with friends and getting up to mischief she was always about I trust in you and you've you've got you've got such a you know such a a um uh a wise and and there's a such a you know there's a man in there that is such a good man and um and I trust in you. So that made that made me in some of my uh when I was really testing the boundaries and the edges of things uh I was able to internalize that because I'd had a parent that was reinforcing that as I was growing

Where To Find The Book

SPEAKER_00 44:50

up I was able to internalize that and I was able to go come and call this is um this is probably a good time to do a 180 degree or or whatever you know make a better decision make a good decision here don't get influenced by what's going on around you and and so on so it's it's belief in in in oneself that's what I'd try and infuse in an 18 year old yeah exactly right um Colin thank you for being here we really I had a lot of fun listening to you and I genuinely gain a lot of wisdom and I definitely gonna take a look at your book and I want to if it's possible can you tell us how people can find you you have a website uh or how they can find your book yeah so my website is colinchenery.com there are links to the book on the website um there is support at colinchennery.com is the email there is uh you can just google the book Six Circles of Mindfulness um as we speak right now Amazon hasn't put the audiobook up yet in audible but it's on about 40 to 50 other uh retail platforms uh that's the audiobook but the print and digital copy are available on Amazon and other uh retail goodreads and booktopia and other other um retail platforms I definitely put a link into the show notes great thank you and there is one other source too if if I may say and that is um six circlesmindfulness dot com so for people who uh get the print or ebook because the in the audiobook I've got guided meditations as part of the audiobook but in six circlesmindfulness.com there are resources and tools there which include the audio guided meditations and I have Riley Lee grandmaster of the Shakah Japanese flute playing in with those meditations which I really appreciate him working with me with that. And there's also some video courses on Qigong just a basic tutorial four-part tutorial on a small qigung sequence to help people with um with a breathing exercise that helps you get really present and connected and there's other tools there as well great do you have any questions? No I just wanted to say I really um I do appreciate your time Colin it's been really wonderful speaking with you a lot of things that um you've uh mentioned I think a lot of people can relate to it's very it's been very uh relatable and um uh and the things you speak of I think we all at some one point or another uh if we haven't already will uh think about so I really appreciate it thank you so much and thank you for having me um I I love the podcast that you're doing and the theme uh I love the fact that you're both such switched on explorative people in in ways I can relate to very well and and so beautiful a mother uh sorry a father and daughter um doing that together is just just so beautiful so it's it's lovely uh lovely being here and you having me thank you thank you so much thank you for joining us today for another episode of Philosophy of life podcast and thank you again to Colin Chenery to taking the time and to share his experience perspective and idea with us in today's conversation Yalda and I explore mindfulness awareness and how become more conscious of our thought and our behavior can shape the way we experience life.

Closing Thoughts And Subscribe

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Whether you agree with every perspective or simply take one useful idea with you that is always the goal of this podcast to create a conversation that makes us think, reflect and perhaps see lives just a little bit differently sometimes the people we met even briefly live with us idea and stay with us for years. And maybe today conversation is one of those moments for someone listening. If you enjoy this episode please follow subscribe and share the Philosophy of life podcast it truly helps us to continue this conversation and reach more people interested in exploring life through different perspectives you can learn more about Collins and his work at Collinschenery.com and we will be included this URL and the information about the book he recently published in the show notes episode for myself and my co host Yaldonazarion thank you for listening be thoughtful be curious until next time