Today is September 4th, 2022. My name is Reza Sanjide and this is a new episode for Tandis podcast. So I promised very first episode I made that I'm going to talk about Julia Galef books. The only book I think she has named Scott Mindset. This is a good book. I read it actually two, three times just to get some idea how we can, how I'm going to talk about it in the podcast. However, After the pandemic, I came to the conclusion that the book has a lot of problems, in my opinion. For example, how much are we going to sacrifice to compromise? Are we going to sacrifice the truth or not? So Julia started a book. It's about the differences between people. The name of the book is The Scott Mindset. Basically, he categorized certain people to Scott. And those people are actually trying to accommodate people, to accommodate things. For example, if you are... part of a Democratic Party or you're part of a Republican Party and you want to be an open conversation with the other side, then you are a Scot. Or if you are pro-vaccine or you are against vaccine, but you're still a Scot mindset guy and you try to open dialogue to other sides. So that's what I thought. initially and she actually goes through many different chapters in this book and then give you a lot of samples and there are good samples in the book that you can reference to. However, the problem later on came up with that how much you are going to sacrifice to compromise. Are you going to sacrifice the truth. So that was the problem I tried to deal with in the conversation that this is Scott Mindset. It's a good book in general. I think still it's a good book. You should read it. You should open dialogue in any circumstance with other side. the dialogue could be different ways. So you, for example, if you have differences in any ways, in different ideas, so we all want good for our communities, most of us, most of us. We want good things for our community, but some people want Some people want it one way, the other people want it the other way. Some people are thinking more tax is going to help the community because more money comes from the government. And the other side is going to say, well, actually these people are not going to use it for your purposes. They're going to use it for their purposes. They're going to give... these monies to their friends, and they're building roads for their friends. And the roads, they don't really need. There is one rich guy live on the road, and because he's part of the rich community, they're building that road for this guy. And you're actually financing it through taxes. And it's true. It happens many, many times. How are we going to avoid that? I don't know. I think there are many ways to avoid it, but we have to participate to the system, every one of us. So if something happens like this, we have to have ways to expose it. I know the news agencies are corrupt. Everybody's in their pocket. I mean, everybody's trying to be part of a system and trying to play with, because if you don't, You are not part of a system. You will not be included. And the exclusion means you will not have a voice. And it doesn't matter how big you are, how your group is big or small. If you don't have a partial, meaning you don't work with the system, you're actually not part of a system. How are you going to bring your ideas to the table? So that's the dilemma. And now we're going to go back to the book. I don't want to be distracted. I want to go back to the book. And the book is actually a talk about Scott mindset. And there's these people who are actually trying to find the common ground between a group of people. And then these common grounds helps them to actually build a bridge to these groups. That's what I 100% for it. We have the open dialogue. And these can help us, can help us to manage it so we can talk to each other. And talking... opening our problems, opening our issues to each other. I think it's going to help. I'm not thinking. I'm pretty sure. In the past, always, dialogue was helping. So the war, how are you going to end a war if you don't open a dialogue? So how are you going to compromise if you don't open dialogue? You don't know what you have to be given And taken. So that's all about open dialogue. So this is just what she's writing. I'm not 100% sure that she's actually following. Because open dialogue with the other side is not easy. It's not easy at all. They're two different opinions. Sometimes I try to open dialogue with my friends. The people I know. The people I... deal with them every single day. And it's not easy. These people are already fixated. This is... That's what actually the... Julia actually come up with too. I mean, some people are soldier mindset. That's what in the book said. The soldier mindset are fixated. They don't want to change anything. They don't want to change anything. They actually... wants to keep everything sane, and they think what they think is 100% correct, 100%. How are you going to change somebody to think he or she is 100% correct? It's unbelievable. But this is a possibility. And the only way you can do it, you have to find a way to open dialogue. with the small common ground. If you just find something that is resonated to the other side, as they are familiar with, they can think about it that your pain that you're going through. And that's how I think we can open dialogue. And that's very important. Very important. You know, we lost many wars. Many wars. I'm talking about wars. Yes, it is war. People are thinking war is always guns. War is not always guns. I was a kid in the school as the Iranian Revolution happens. I experienced every single day of it. there was a good time and there was a bad time. And I know, I didn't admit it until a few years back, that we made mistakes. We, on the left, of the leftist spectrum, we thought we are 100% correct. We have to be given voice. And we were right, so we have to give a voice, but we cannot... The other side is on the power. We have to understand they're on the power. And we have to understand they are feeling threatened when we talk. And when they feel threatened, they react. And we have to first come up with a solution. How are we going to make the other side, first of all, comfortable? We don't want... that you feel threatened. We want to give you a solution, a way that we all can live together. So that was a problem. We didn't compromise. We were angry because the way it was running, it was not the way we wanted. And because it wasn't that way, we thought we are on the right side. So, even though you are telling the truth, you have a right, doesn't mean that you can go outside and take your guns and say, this is my right, let me take it. You have to first open dialogue. You have to first tell them, we're not threatening you, but we want this. We are for free society, and we also give you the rights to think. You are maybe exactly opposite what I'm thinking. You want mosque to be everywhere, and I want to be a school everywhere. But you have a right, and I have a right. So we have to give the first, very first step is to give the other side the resignation that we are not fighting with you. We are not fighting. We want to be friends. We understand your pain. We understand you are threatened. We are not threatening you. We want peace. We want success for all of us. We think this is the way the society can work. And that's how we can get to a process that we can start talking and then we can live together. Maybe this idea could work. I know back then these people are the system that came to the power, came in support of U.S. government. I know everybody says it wasn't, but yeah, Khomeini was supported by... US Carter administration that they wanted. They wanted these people come and take over the country and they actually deal with them in the behind the scenes. And unfortunately, it was for us difficult. We have to not be the other side exposed to the fraud they are committing. We didn't know back then. We didn't know even that was the case. Because we were fixated that everything what we say is 100% correct, everything I would say is 100% wrong. And that was wrong. Even though we were, could be 100% right, don't misunderstand me. We could be 100% right, but we cannot take a gun and go outside and say, oh, we want to kill you if you don't listen. What is the difference between us and them if we do it the exact same way that they do? So I don't think it's a good idea that we cannot open dialogue. The very first thing we have to do, we have to open dialogue. We have to give everybody... Everybody, even one person in society, which has a million people living, one person has a right to their opinion, right to live, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else's. So we have to understand, we have to work along a common goal. And that common goal is... a free society from all the pressure than one group or the other group causing. So we have to make sure that everybody has the rights and everybody protect those rights for each other. Because we all benefited. We all benefited. And also, in terms of nature, we have to understand that nature has rights. Nature has many aspects. We think that animals don't have rights. Those have rights. We diminish their rights. We think because we are in control. We have power with the guns and all those tools we have. We can control these animals. No, we shouldn't. These animals have rights. you like it or not, these things have rights. We have to protect those rights because if we don't protect them, nobody else will. We have to come up into the picture and protect these animals. It doesn't matter what. All the animals, they have rights. So we as a human, we think We are religious or not religious. We are intelligent. We understand things. We understand pains. We understand building. We understand systems. We should be understanding that pain we're causing for other things like cat, dogs, lambs. Cows, those animals have to live just like every other animals. We have to give them rights. And we have to control our habits. I'm not saying don't eat meat. Eat meat. But don't grow animals just because you have to eat meat. They can live when they live. eight, nine years, ten years. When they die, you can eat them. If you want to eat them, eat them. But don't let them only live for a few months because you just want to eat them. It's a kid. These animals are also a kid. Think about it, that you eat your kid. How could you? So I don't want to be going to some different direction. So my goal is to bring up that as a human, we call ourselves human, we have to understand that we have to start opening dialogue with each other. And that is the book all about. That's what it's actually about. Julia Galef, I think that she wants to open the dialogue between two group of people. She also indicated in the book that it's kind of a difficult job to do, but it's possible. I don't understand that she actually wants to do it or not. Because in one podcast a year later, she opened with a unvaccinated, but people don't want vaccine and people want vaccines. She actually took a site, vaccinated people. And she didn't want to open dialogue. She didn't invite the other side to talk to the people person who actually invited into the podcast to talk about vaccine hesitancy. I'm personally not for vaccine. I have my own reason. I don't think anybody should be forced to medical intervention because they're claiming for the society good of all people. I still have a right to My rights is my rights. And if I don't really think it's good for society, how could I do that? You telling me this is good for society. I'm on the other side of the opinion. So I think we should open dialogue, first of all. So if you want to convince me, come and convince me. But don't force it. You can't force anything like that. This is my health. This is my body. And I'm 100% also for the woman's rights. So woman, they don't want that kid to carry. This is their rights. This is their, they should be protected. I'm 100% on the woman's side for preventive care. And they want their body, they should be protected. If it's one person who wants that opinion, they should be also protected. If 199.99% of the people are religious and they are wants to carry the kids and so on, and just only one person is on the other side, that person has a right to be protected. And, yeah. So, this is the episode. It was about Scott Mindset book. It was a short episode. I really didn't want to go into the detail what happened in the book and Even though I wrote many, many, many pages in the past to talk about the book and go to detail, I don't really think that's much important. The book is good. It's called Mindset by Julia Galef. I recommend to everyone to read it. There are audiobooks that I also have. I got an audiobook and I get the whole book. So I have to take notes as I get the book. I take a book and I take a lot of notes in the book. However, I think everybody should read it, but also you have to be open yourself to the other side, I think. I might be wrong. But at the same time, how much are we going to sacrifice the truth? So that is something we should talk about later. So this is my next, maybe next episode. If you guys have any other opinion, please let me know. If you guys have ideas that helps bring about this conversation, Scott. Better picture. Please let me know. Thank you again. Until next time.